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1957 John Marsh Trip To Dayton Ohio


1. MARSH: Look young man you won’t have any problems with the political situation here in Dayton, he said, if you can help me with this instrument as you have other people that I have heard about, I have no reason to believe that it can’t. He says, as far as Dayton goes he will have no difficulty at this time. Now Jim Garrison says, you get me over this and I know some very influential people who will be very trustful in getting it here on a permanent basis. If you have any difficulty, which I doubt if you will, Bob (Dr. Robert P. Stafford) here is able to handle the situation pretty well and he being on the staff himself and well thought of, we were a little on the fortunate side to get someone who is honest.

2. RIFE: Oh yes.

3. MARSH: Incidentally he and I both belong to the same Masonic Lodge, same Temple there, and he didn’t learn that until all these treatments had been given and I did not tell him. He asked me one night if I was a Mason and I said yes. I gave proof to that effect and he said you need nothing in writing. I’ll guarantee you. I’ll carry this through just as we have started and he will. He’s the kind of man you don’t have to write down and have him sign a piece of paper whether I will or will not do this and so and that is where the enjoyment of having someone honest to work with. You don’t find too many honest people that are willing to take a chance of something like this even though we know it isn’t a chance.

Carol Wilkinson, 22, one of the nurses in the Clinic has acne. She has been treated for it. What the results are I do not know yet.

Dawn Gordon, 36 years of age, another nurse in the Clinic has small nodes on her upper eye lids here. Her ear drums have been punctured thinking they could be drained. She hears noises, birds. She has not been able to have any relief. Her hearing is down to 80. She also has arthritis first in the upper dorsal, so I treated her with 85-99-91/2 27-30/3. And that is what I tried to do for her.

Edna Vanover, 43 years of age, very deep cough, she had much pain. I gave her one treatment of 85-99-91 and 88.72/2. No more treatments were necessary.

Hazel Yoeman, age 24. She had tonsillitis, acute very bad. She has had it before. Her tonsils were causing her trouble only at winter time and she took a treatment on the 13th and I gave her 85-99-91 88.75/2 and then I gave her 27- 22/3. The second day the swelling had gone down. She had swelling on both sides of her throat. She called me and said the swelling was about the size of a half-dollar. After two days it had gone down to the size of a dime and she felt no more treatments were necessary but I gave her another treatment anyway because I think the nurses in the clinic should be up to par in health, due to the fact that so much flu had been floating around. They had had an awful lot of it there. And the swelling went down after the second treatment and no more was needed.

Sandra Saxton, three and one-half years of age, daughter of Elizabeth Saxton, 31 years of age. She has a bad chest aliment, Sandra had the same thing. Chronic bronchitis and she took one treatment, no more was needed.

Dr, Stafford treated Gertrude Stafford, Dorothy Stafford, Carrie Robinson, Ann Stafford, Sue Stafford, Don & Pat Stafford. Now, those are his four children, wife, mother and a woman who lives with his mother and he treated all of them and also Skipper (the dog) he gave (a) 3rd treatment on 19th and he said there is nothing in the world that can convince me that the instrument is not what we said it was. He said, it’s not just because he can be sold anything; He’s positively sure of what he had seen and that is all he had to have.
Hazel Yoeman (Nurse) Dr. Stafford was a very skeptical man and she has never seen such a change in a man in her life than she had seen in him since I came there and he said “that he had constantly felt good and that 4 hours sleep a night was all he needed and he knew he had to have eight before that he would be dragging.” He said, “even to walk up the three flights of stairs in the hospital he was winded when he hit the top because (of) many of the strenuous activities he had had the night before.” He said, “Now when I hit the top of the stairs I feel like I hadn’t even climbed any stairs”. He said, “I feel perfect” and he’s felt perfect ever since he’s known me and he says “if the instrument is nothing more than a physiological instrument,” of course he’s said “That’s a foolish statement I know but it sure has helped me a great deal”. He said; “I know the instrument does what you have stated it does”. I treated my mother, my sister and she is going through the menopause and has had a great deal of flooding every month and she definitely feels that it has subsided since I’ve been there. I gave her the 85-99-91/2, 27-30/2 making sure I would knock out any possible chance of any infections that might be there that we do not know of. And my mother had arthritis of her knees and I was only able to give her one treatment when Dr. Stafford called off all treatments on all patients except for those we are treating until they can tabulate all that has been done up to date. He didn’t want to take on any more. Even my niece who has been having trouble and wanted treatments and who could not get them and many other people, but he felt that Tom Oswald is more behind this than Dr. Stafford when it comes to shutting them off, because there’s nothing in Dr. Stafford’s mind that the instrument didn’t have all to do with it. And in every case that we have had except Dorothy Johnson I would say it was completely successful and in Dorothy’s case I feel that something else was biting at her which the instrument did not reach. And therefore the reason for the stool, urine etc., test which I believe Dr. Stafford will give her because that is what I asked (him) to do in a letter that I had written to him. Now, the hospital staff where all these treatments were given, or these two treatments, (these treatments were done on two women who had cancer) will vouch and swear as to the many,many months they were there and as to their success. Dr. Stafford, here is what he wishes to do; he wants to evaluate all the treatments that have been given. He and Dr. Oswald will do this together. I trained two nurses for the use of the instrument in case one of them would get ill and could not use it, that the other one would be available to help Dr. Stafford. I spent many long midnight hours with one of the nurses training her while Dr. Stafford was doing the same with the other nurse, so it wouldn’t have been necessary for me to stay another month in Ohio for the purpose of finalizing these treatments and their tabulation. He wants to get all of the records that he has treated from other physicians that had anything to do with them and then he wants to call the top-notch officials of the Medical Board together either at a hotel conference Room or someplace where (it) would be a good place to meet. And call in all of the patients that have been treated plus all the doctors who had treated those patients, before I got to them including the dog and then present to the board the finding, which they know I was there, but they left it up to Bob to carry it through and do all of this tabulation work. Then present it to them as a package unit on everybody and have all of the people there themselves to tell plus all of the hospital staff, plus the nurses in his own office and thus which would be the solid foundation for which they can get the O.K. of the medical board. Now in the meantime the information that John (Crane) had sent to me, the last letter that I had received from him, stating the work that he felt that I could take care of while I was there. I turned that over to Dr. Stafford and Dr. Stafford will carry it through. I’m sure he will after this meeting there speaking about.

4. RIFE: Where it’s accepted by the county board and if it’s accepted by them then the Food and Drug Act will, well it would be no chance of them turning it down. Well, that is why Dr. Stafford felt that by building up a good solid foundation, which I think is very intelligent on his part.

5. MARSH: Because he says “I don’t want any outsiders interfering with what we have done so far until it is presentable to the board.” He said, “I know all of the Board members, I was on it myself.” Now he says; “They know me personally. I’m not talking to a bunch of strangers and they know the many years I have been in business as he is rated incidentally.” He is well liked by everybody that he has treated. I will say this, I have never heard anyone say anything foul about him. I will say this that God has sent me to the right source.

6. RIFE: Here is one thing that is a possibility, that was a good move on that part there. Now if it was put up to the Department of Food and Drug and they had turned it down, you see, then you would have a devil of a job getting reinstated with them again. But now that it’s established and they have it in their records and threw it in their lap and say gentleman this is it and we want you to pass this thing. So I think it was a good thing, there’s no particular hurry about that, you know.

7. MARSH: Dr. Oswald and Dr. Stafford and I at the time I was giving Jim Garrison his last treatment, Dr. Oswald said to me, “Now John, how long would you say it would take to tabulate all of these things.” I said, “It wouldn’t be necessary for you to actually have to cure everybody completely because you can vouch as well as Dr. Stafford and the staff about the women on their upward climb out of the hospital, so that is enough to qualify them” and I said “These other people that are in the process of getting better,” I said “I think two months would be sufficient to completely draw an excellent conclusion. Two months would take us up into January from now at which time you (Dr. Rife) will be there on a specific date and talk to them. Here is the thing, Dr. Oswald and Dr. Stafford both said, I want to talk to Dr. Rife myself and I want the medical board to hear him. Now if you are drawn into the group, what they want is to hear the man.

They will throw many medical terms at you, which I know you can handle. They did it to me. I surprised myself I was able to handle the situation, very well, and I had heard you say and don’t think I didn’t work hard to keep my mind alert to everything, they asked, so that I would not throw a dishonest statement to them, because you cannot build a thing up on lies. I don’t want to, all I want to do is to present the truth, which I feel is what we have and that’s why I went back there. That’s why I sacrificed my job and my time, which was nothing. I don’t feel it was a real sacrifice in a sense because of what I had done with the instrument to two people’s lives and more later on and to me those lives are worth more than my job, or money. You can’t judge lives against dollars and cents and too many of us are prone to do that.

RIFE: Well, I have lived my life for the benefit of humanity and it is the end result of (the) accomplishment.

MARSH: Yes, now here is what I did tell them, they wondered where I fit into the picture. I told them I had layouts at the base, I designed part of it. You could say that I was possibly not an exactly an inventor, but I think we are all co-inventors of a sort by adding what we think
would make the instrument better and if they try to validified (verify) any the statements that I
have said to them, please don’t let me down and say no this isn’t so, which might upset what might be the truth to them.  I mean just by accident. Now what I mean by that is this. I don’t think that I have in my own right lied to them. I did (didn’t) try to impress them with the idea that I was

thing but that you (Dr. Rife) were the inventor and John (Crane) was the designer and inventor, co-inventor and myself for putting this thing together and making it. They asked if I helped
psychologically that could have torn down, or have caused delay the foundation that now is laid. Now, I think we have a solid footing there. I under no circumstances would want that torn down

thought that Bob Stafford knew McKenry himself through them, and being a personal friend of Bob Stafford’s, now they will contact Charles McKenry only when the time arrives to do so, which means after he has found successfully overcoming his Carcinoma case of (the) Prostrate.

Now, he will be contacting John and Dr. Stafford felt that we should get all of these cases tabulated first.
RIFE: You’ve got to have something to show.

MARSH: By the way he will be contacted (McKenry) and the other two doctors. Dr. Stone and his son and Dr.Chittley who said that he felt that I should take the instrument to Texas and get it started there. I said, what’s wrong with Dayton. Well, he said, Dayton is all right but there’s more money in Texas. Well, I can understand why he wanted me out of the city. Dayton, Ohio is a very rich city to say the least.

RIFE: I haven’t been in Dayton since 1912. I was there in the flood.

MARSH: Since then doctor they built all of those dams around. All of those dams now have

they don’t have that flood situation any more, but those dams were huge. I used to fish over there at those dams, a lot of fish backed up in the back waters. That’s the chart that I had made
up John (Crane) that I gave to Dr. Stafford and one to Dr. Oswald and one to each of the nurses. I had those printed up in Dayton. Well, that is the progress that I have made so far.

RIFE: Well, I think that you did a very excellent job.

MARSH: Dr. Stafford got a hold of my coat lapels, and he said, Johnny, you go back home now, and he said One thing that I really want to tell you, you have done a magnificent job, and I’ll say this without any question in my mind that physiologically you are the world’s greatest salesman. He said, When you can sell me what you have told me, without even sight unseen in the beginning. You being able to convince a person what is right and making them buy it against their will theoretically, he said I’ll say this you have something to sell, and the fact that

MARSH: There’s also so much dishonesty going around. There’s always someone trying to make a quick dollar, that they prey on the professional people and trying to make them believe that this and that etc., but I feel this way John (Crane) that by taking the instrument, talking to

them personally about it, was the smartest thing that has ever happened. I know writing to them is going to do no good.

RIFE: Well it’s the end result that is the thing and it doesn’t make any difference, as I had said before, if you are going to build anything whether it’s a skyscraper or a doghouse it must have a foundation and the foundation must have fundamental facts and it must be based on a basic principle. The principle of that device is a coordinating resonance, as I have spoken of before that is in resonance with the chemical constituents of a individual bacteria.

MARSH: Now Dr. Stafford gave a note here to Life Lab, this is what he wishes.

CRANE: Life Lab Incorporated, please furnish the information on the characteristics from the Rife Frequency machine, including the Phonograph records etc.


on, what is the carrier wave. He also wants to know if it is X-ray, if there is any radioactivity involved, of course, I know there is none. He wants it in writing from here, and the reason for
that is, additional information presented. Now they are going to take a Geiger counter and he is going to check the ray himself, just for their own information. I said, fine go ahead and he is going to have the instrument checked by some leading electronics engineers not for the purpose of copy, or anything of that nature, but to see if anything would be of a detrimental nature to mankind. I said that’s O.K. I said, only under your guidance do I want anyone to look at that instrument, so he gave me a contract stating that he would be responsible for all damages, replacement of tubes, wear and tear on the instrument, plus 50% of any money that I would receive for any treatments given while in my absence from there, and he didn’t feel like he would want to lease it for a month or two months because he didn’t know. He says I don’t

instrument, naturally we have got to make the instrument smaller. I want to redesign that darned tube, so that it isn’t fragile. Now it may not hurt to sink the metal rod coming out of the electrode and anode, sink it in solid glass, rather than inside of a tube, that may not hurt it. It wouldn’t hurt the tube at all, I don’t think. Make the tube so that it will be lighter, or make a oscillator so that you could set it up and have it move like this without me having to stand there and do it. Design the instrument so that it is easy to carry around than that heavy box. It’s awfully heavy. I carried it about three flights of stairs at the hospital and I think I have gained a great deal of muscle since I saw you last because I have carried it for about 4 weeks up and down stairs and stored it in a storage room at the clinic when not in use on the third floor of the clinic. And there’s another thing, my cousin living in Dayton works for a big electronic firm. He has a T.V. store and repair shop and he did a lot of work for the government. Now his name is James Marsh. He and I both went over the instrument and feel that it can be made without tubes (with) transistors. And General Electric had made a transistor to replace a mercury tube and by the way I replaced those two mercury tubes (866 rectifiers) and incidentally the one tiny tube, the little peanut tube on the opposite corner was weak when I got there, so I had it pulled out and a good one put in. And I had all the tubes checked and everything and it checked out fine, even the big one and I had to go to three places before I could get the big one checked out, but none of them had the
the way he’s a humanitarian. He fits with us like a glove.

RIFE: You know we had an idea when we had our clinic in La Jolla, of course that was battery and motor generator operated, that set, you know and boy it would sure raise the devil

with all the radios. So we had a couple of cars that was equipped with car radios and we sent them out and we would take the switch of that thing and had a code you know, like an S.O.S., and one of them (went) up north and one of them went south from La Jolla. Before we started in we wanted to see how far we were going to disturb things with it you know. And incidentally we had it in a steel room, a steel lined vault about this size at the old Ellen Scripps home. It was the vault in the Library of the Scripps home where they kept their valuable manuscripts and books in. All steel lined and a door on it like a safe. We had the thing (Collin B. Kennedy equipment) inside of that too, but it didn’t make much difference, but we started in and one car lost the pick up on top of Torrey Pines. And the other one half ways through Mission Beach picked it up and then they could go a hundred feet and lose (it) and then they would have to pick it up again. Old Henry, (Siner) the boy that was with us out there, one of the lab boys, boy he went up in the air. He says; By God he says, Look we’re going to fix them up right. At two o’clock we’ll hook this up to a big radio station, a big transmitting station and at two o clock next week we’ll broadcast

for tuberculosis and at half past three the week after we will broadcast for cancer and everybody at the radio will pick it up. See boy, I said, Henry that really is an idea.

MARSH: You know what it could be done, but it is against the law because you are in a democracy and you cannot treat a person against their will and if it became a known fact, now for instance these sputniks that are flying around is against the people’s will, but it is still being done, due to the fact that that stars there is being detrimental to every human being on earth, because it can land and kill them. I mean if something went haywire it could fall down and could kill them; therefore it is the liability that Russia has taken upon themselves. Well, it’s the same

government I told Dr. Stafford that the entire city of Dayton could be cured of all of the diseases they have at once by broadcasting. He says; now don’t tell me these things. Look, I know what it

while the person is being devitalized of their virus bacteria at the time of surgery or the birth of the child, or anything else that would be detrimental to them having a clean operation without infection.

RIFE: I used it over my operations on my animals. Many times I tried it. I would take my instruments; ordinarily my instruments went through the pressure sterilizer before I would use them. I’d take my instruments just through the instrument case, put this thing over my rack, or my guinea pig and operated with my instruments and never had an infection.

MARSH: And that’s another thing I said to Dock, you can sterilize all your instruments here without putting them in that little steam bath that you’ve got here. Now where I used this instrument was inside of his X-ray room and incidentally, I meant to tell you this Mrs. Cartwright had had forty-five X-ray treatments and six radium treatments, and the last radium treatments were given to her last March. That’s the 56 years old lady who had it (cancer) in her lower abdomen. Now, it did not affect the use of our instrument at all, but the radium is what Mr. Cartwright felt is what has burnt clear through the wall of her female organs into her lower colon causing so much of the damage and I wouldn’t be a bit surprised. They lowered a capsule into her womb area, which incidentally a hysterectomy had been taken care of, I mean she had all her female organs removed and (they) left (it) in there for a day at a time. I mean radium inside of her for a day and she was burned to death and she was clear out of her head and he picked
(her up) bodily and took her out of the hospital and he says, they’re not killing my wife here and that is the truth. You ask him! You’ll probably get a chance to talk to him when you go back there.

RIFE: Was it a cervix of the uterus?

MARSH: I don’t know.

concerned I feel that what we have done was the best that could have been done under the circumstances. In fact, I think we’ve done better than we expected and as I have stated before everything has clicked off as though it was cut and dried and meant to be months before in

have a district representative if that is what you would like to call it. I wouldn’t (be) living in Dayton and covering the Eastern Seaboard. Now, Dr. Stafford doesn’t believe it’s wise to contact any of the surrounding states of Ohio yet, put any of the instruments in that state yet. And the reason for that is this and I agree with him. He knows the doctors in these other states and they come to convention meetings which are held in Dayton. If it gets to one of these before it is presented as a package unit. They could upset the thing by saying it’s no good. You know, without even knowing what they are talking about. Now he said, John, if you want you can put your instrument in other states. Put them far enough away until we get this thing nailed, and he is anxious to get a cure for peoples troubles and not to become a financial wizard, and I tell you why, office calls are always three dollars including shots, pills etc., so you can see he’s not out to rook people, or rob them of their money. How many doctors do know here in town that you can get by for a three dollar entrance? You can’t they don’t have them. Do they? I’ve never found any here or in Dayton. The least is five dollars for an office call and many of them above it, but anyway his has been three and I’m going to hold it at three, because I see no reason for robbing people. By the time I get some of them they are chopped in two, financially, before I ever touch them. And he says I don’t think it is my duty to make this a money making deal. He is of course making money, but he is doing it in quantity. I feel he has got a human heart and I believe he has shown the use of it. I know Bob pretty fair. I have been with him an awfully lot, if there is anything in my mind that would give me any idea. I believe I am intelligent enough to

RIFE: That is the only way that it can be handled properly.

MARSH: Maybe we can sell small instruments for the purpose of small diseases like colds, flu and stuff like that, which are minor, which the doctors prefer not treating those kind anyway, because they are chronic and there isn’t anything they can do with them. People keep coming in and coming in and they take up his time where he could spend it taking care of a bad case or something or other. Dr. Stafford said that he would prefer that a small instrument would be made. Now he is a smart man. I mean he is smart in this respect that he is looking out for the people, as you and John and I have done. If we hadn’t I would not have made this trip. What do you think John? I’ve been doing a lot of thinking not even giving you a chance to get a word in edgewise.

CRANE: There is no doubt there is going to be an awful lot of development on this design and portable units. We had it in mind for some time to get a battery setup where you can take it out where they don’t even have electricity. We have investigated transistors several years ago in Los Angeles and they say they are not for sale. The resistors and everything else is plastic.

MARSH: You know what we did over there at Convair. You know all those plastic units.

CRANE: This again will involve a lot of funds, a lot of research involved etc.

MARSH: That is just what I told Dr. Stafford is holding us up and it is the financial end of it. We have the ideas and there is no question in his mind that we do. He said, he has run into an awful lot of intelligent people in his day, but this man is out of this world. I know that he doesn’t know me that well but he feels that the things that I had presented to him was so far superior to anything he has ever heard before in his life, and he thinks I am an escapee from another

planet. Well, there may be some truth in that but at the same time I don’t intend going back until I have fulfilled my mission here, so laying all jokes aside I think this trip has been one of the most fantastically enjoyable successful ones. And I knew exactly what the results would be. Now, how I knew that, don’t ask me, I just knew it. That’s why I went back, that’s why I was so certain. Then too, it proved to me another thing John (Crane) that flying at a high rate of speed over bumpy and many detoured roads. Two and a half days it took me to get there, 2200 miles and when I said flying I wasn’t kidding. I knew those peoples lives were hanging in the balance and I knew I had to get there. I felt safe. I felt positively that I was supposed to bring that instrument. Now, I know it just wasn’t something I cooked up and Hilda my wife knows this. I feel if the lord wanted me to bring that instrument then I don’t think that the Lord would have prevented me from getting it there. He said; no, but what about some of these drunks, they can

me go on, so the fact of the matter is, I had definitely had everything planned, everything, believe me, and yet to this day when I tell people what had happed with those radar traps they don’t believe me. The cop was setting there and he had his light flashed across the road, you know, where you had to break the beam and I didn’t see either one of them until I was up on top of them and the light flashed on the inside of my car. Now that is no lie, they could have burned me, but good. I went right through Arizona and I had no cop trouble coming back. I didn’t even see a cop. I don’t know where they were, maybe they were hibernating but when I got to Dayton, everything worked perfectly. And even Tom Oswald, who was against the thing in the first place and George who wouldn’t even listen to it at all, were partners in this business and the majority of the partnership did not stop Stafford from letting me give treatments. Now you tell, is it all coincidence? Is it just coincidence all of this happening? Absolutely not, everything was planned in advance and nobody can tell me different.

CRANE: We have a man coming over here this evening to do electronic work on another one of these machines. Maybe we can get another one ready. Maybe it might be a good idea to take one up there this evening.

43. MARSH: I definitely want to take this tape along and let him hear it. And I could take this

paraphernalia here to pave a way but first I think it would be wise to have a doctor.

CRANE: They have doctors there that are willing.

MARSH: They did say they had one doctor or several, didn’t he? That’s fine, I will be happy to do it. What am I going to use for money. Truthfully John, I appreciate deeply your aid, believe me; you don’t know how much that aid was needed at that particular time. It was not done in vain believe me, because you are going to be more than well paid for all the kindness you have shown toward me. I think we are in this thing together. I think we all three feel the same way about the same things. Don’t you John?

CRANE: Of Course.

Bacteriological Research Department, for the University of California you know. It is over in the Hospital, out by Golden Gate Park. We were there for two weeks before we could get a tumor. They were operating on them almost every day.

MARSH: I wonder what causes people to be so stiff shirted and so hard and cut and dried that they cannot be a little bit flexible. That’s humanity they say, no it isn’t humanity. Humanity doesn’t represent that which is bad. It represents that which is good.

RIFE: The only hospital that I ever had any luck with (was) the County Hospital up here to get anything out of them but when Dr. Butterfield was the main Surgeon of Paradise Valley down here, he was very cooperative. I could go in there any time to get any information I wanted, you know, and he was very cooperative. I think most of those Seven Day Adventist are. He’s the head of the Loma Linda Institution now.

MARSH: Well, this group of three men that John had spoke of that you are acquainted with came down here from Utah. I’ll say this honestly. I think they are human beings. I think they are good at heart. I think they have a feeling, not particularly money behind them to do this, I think they believe down deep in their hearts that we’ve got something and I mean that. Now I was

successful on selling them on the idea that we had something, or they wouldn’t have come down here in the first place, right John? You (remember) when I picked them out and brought them out here. Now I’ve been successful with most everyone I have contacted and if I believe in

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